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"The greatest innovation of humankind was not the employment of oil and coal but the constituting of the fire circle. Socially the fire circle is composed of about twenty-four persons or a twelve-adult council of the whole. This group size is magic for our species. It is deeply embedded in the human unconscious, the perfect number to deal with a problem, visit and dance, mourn and celebrate, tell a story, plan for tomorrow, hold a council, or eat a bison. Fire was perhaps the first metaphor and therefore the master stimulus to deliberation, the symbol of life itself. It is both literally and symbolically the place where the occasions of the life cycle are met with enfolding care and customs traditional to the group." - Paul Shepard |
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Derrick Jensen - The Derrick Jensen Discussion List is a place to discuss the ideas contained in Jensen's works, and in particular focuses on the "What Now?" question that arises after arriving at the place where one agrees that "Civilization is not and can never be sustainable." Getting to that belief about Civilization is NOT the focus of THIS group.
Ishmael - Student wanted. Must have an earnest desire to change the world. This is a group for discussing the books: Ishmael, My Ishmael, The Story of B, as well as other works and ideas of Daniel Quinn.
Sacred Lands - This is a general discussion for those interested in exploring the ideas found on this web site, and/or becoming involved with the work of Sacred Lands. All polite, thinking people are welcome.